#4: Don’t Blame It on the Kids

On this episode, I’m addressing the most common excuse given for why women aren’t succeeding at the rate of men in the legal profession—because they have children. I’m not buying it and I let you know why on today’s show!


  • Why we see fewer women in the top roles, such as equity partners and GC’s
  • How even women without children aren’t fairing well compared to their male counterparts
  • What I believe are the real reasons why we’re not making progress in the area of retention and promotion
  • The role of unconscious bias
  • How unhealthy demands on attorneys are affecting the industry
  • How and why law firms aren’t thinking like businesses
  • Why we NEED to have uncomfortable conversations


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Professional Bio

Heather Joy Hubbard is an attorney, speaker, author, and strategic coach. Through her personal and professional development company, she helps attorneys reduce stress, manage priorities, and build a book of business. Prior to her work helping professionals find more balance and success, Heather was a partner and practice group leader at an AmLaw 200 firm. She has been recognized by Best Lawyers in America in the areas of Copyright, Trademark, Intellectual Property Litigation and Patent Litigation, Mid-South SuperLawyers, Benchmark Litigation and Managing IP Stars. She was also named one of Nashville's Top 40 under 40 by the Nashville Business Journal. Heather graduated  summa cum laude   from the University of Louisville and received her  juris doctorate  from Vanderbilt University Law School.

2 comments to " #4: Don’t Blame It on the Kids "
  • Jessica Telligman

    Seems the point of the podcast is that guys who run law firms don’t retain women because of unconscious bias. I don’t disagree. Just not sure how to make them listen to this podcast and change. If you get those guys in a room, I’ll be there.

    • Heather Hubbard

      If you want to find these guys in a room, just go to any board meeting, partnership meeting, or courtroom :) They seem to dominate most every room in the legal industry! I personally think that progress is most likely to be made in having regular, non-confrontational (yet uncomfortable) discussions about bias anytime there’s an opportunity. I do believe women’s organizations can help redirect the management-level discussions. Although you may not be able to get guys to listen to the podcast, it can still be an easy way to bring up the topic. For example, you can say, “So, I was listening to this podcast and the topic of bias came up. Here are my thoughts. What do you think?” It’s certainly not an easy or overnight fix, which is why we need women like you on the front lines. Keep fighting the good fight!

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